Dustin Hoffman Movies

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Want to know the best Dustin Hoffman movies?  How about the worst Dustin Hoffman movies?  Curious about Dustin Hoffman’s box office grosses or which Dustin Hoffman movie picked up the most Oscar® nominations? Need to know which Dustin Hoffman movie got the best reviews from critics and audiences? Well you have come to the right place …. because we have all of that information right here.

Dustin Hoffman (1937-) has been a movie star longer than I have been alive. That is a pretty impressive accomplishment especially when you consider that I was born in the 1960s. Over his close to fifty year movie career he has had great success both at the box office and critical acclaim.

His IMDb page shows 76 acting credits since 1961.  This page will rank 52 of his movies from Best to Worst in four different sortable columns of information. Cameos, television appearances, straight to DVD movies and shorts were not included in the rankings.

Dustin Hoffman and Anne Bancroft in 1967's The Graduate

Dustin Hoffman and Anne Bancroft in 1967’s The Graduate

Dustin Hoffman Movies Can Be Ranked 6 Ways In This Table

The really cool thing about this table is that it is “user-sortable”. Rank the movies anyway you want.

  • Sort Dustin Hoffman movies by co-stars of his movies
  • Sort Dustin Hoffman movies by adjusted domestic box office grosses using current movie ticket cost (in millions)
  • Sort Dustin Hoffman movies by domestic yearly box office rank
  • Sort Dustin Hoffman movies how they were received by critics and audiences.  60% rating or higher should indicate a good movie
  • Sort by how many Oscar® nominations and how many Oscar® wins each Dustin Hoffman movie received.
  • Sort Dustin Hoffman movies by Ultimate Movie Rankings (UMR)Score.  UMR Score puts box office, reviews and awards into a mathematical equation and gives each movie a score.
  • *** = Dustin Hoffman voice role
RankMovie (Year)UMR Co-Star LinksAdjusted B.O. Domestic (mil)Box Office Rank by YearCritic Audience RatingOscar Nom / WinUMR Score
Kramer vs. Kramer (1979)Meryl Streep$356.902nd of 197981.00%09 / 0590.67
Rain Man (1988)Tom Cruise$354.501st of 198882.50%08 / 0489.88
Midnight Cowboy (1969)Jon Voight$347.707th of 196982.50%07 / 0384.51
Tootsie (1982)Bill Murray & Jessica Lange$496.602nd of 198281.00%10 / 0184.17
The Graduate (1967)Anne Bancroft & Katherine Ross$767.901st of 196884.50%07 / 0183.36
All the President's Men (1976)Robert Redford & Jason Robards$359.802nd of 197683.50%08 / 0478.72
Lenny (1974)Valerie Perrine$158.5013th of 197484.00%06 / 0074.45
Little Big Man (1970)Faye Dunaway & Chief Dan George$247.202nd of 197186.50%01 / 0072.06
Kung Fu Panda (2008) ***Jack Black & Angelina Jolie$252.906th of 200882.50%01 / 0070.18
Marathon Man (1976)Laurence Olivier & Roy Scheider$198.8020th of 197678.00%01 / 0069.12
Papillon (1973)Steve McQueen$324.703rd of 197475.33%01 / 0066.81
Kung Fu Panda 2 (2011) ***Jack Black & Seth Rogen$175.7015th of 201182.00%01 / 0065.79
Dick Tracy (1990)Warren Beatty & James Caan$206.709th of 199062.50%07 / 0365.60
Kung Fu Panda 3 (2016) ***Jack Black & Angelina Jolie$143.4023rd of 201681.50%00 / 0060.81
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events (2004)Jim Carrey & Meryl Streep$161.0018th of 200470.00%04 / 0160.25
Wag the Dog (1997)Robert DeNiro & Woody Harrelson$79.1052nd of 199778.00%00 / 0055.14
Meet the Fockers (2004)Ben Stiller & Barbra Streisand$379.104th of 200451.00%00 / 0054.97
Finding Neverland (2004)Johnny Depp & Kate Winslet$70.2061st of 200481.00%07 / 0154.96
Hook (1991)Robin Williams & Julia Roberts$239.606th of 199144.00%05 / 0053.68
Sleepers (1996)Brad Pitt & Robert DeNiro$101.7029th of 199673.00%01 / 0050.97
Straw Dogs (1971)Susan George & Directed by Sam Peckinpah$61.9034th of 197285.75%01 / 0050.29
Outbreak (1995)Morgan Freeman & Donald Sutherland$131.1024th of 199562.00%00 / 0049.80
Runaway Jury (2003)Gene Hackman & John Cusack$69.1059th of 200372.00%00 / 0044.53
Chef (2014)Robert Downey Jr. & Scarlett Johansson$32.4090th of 201483.50%00 / 0044.21
Straight Time (1978)Gary Busey$33.6061st of 197882.00%00 / 0043.75
Stranger Than Fiction (2006)Will Ferrell & Emma Thompson$52.1076th of 200675.00%00 / 0043.32
Little Fockers (2010)Robert DeNiro & Owen Wilson$157.5016th of 201031.00%00 / 0039.19
Agatha (1979)Vanessa Redgrave & Timothy Dalton$23.9072nd of 197971.00%01 / 0037.47
Quartet (2013)Maggie Smith & Directed by Dustin Hoffman$18.90115th of 201373.00%00 / 0037.22
Hero (1992)Andy Garcia & Geena Davis$39.6066th of 199265.50%00 / 0036.97
Barney's Version (2011)Paul Giamatti$1.40199th of 201177.00%01 / 0036.85
The Tale of Despereaux (2008) ***Matthew Broderick & Sigourney Weaver$59.7057th of 200858.50%00 / 0036.78
Last Chance Harvey (2008)Emma Thompson$17.50127th of 200869.00%00 / 0036.38
John and Mary (1969)Mia Farrow$71.2031st of 196951.00%00 / 0036.26
Confidence (2003)Andy Garcia & Edward Burns$17.10130th of 200369.50%00 / 0035.42
I Heart Huckabees (2004)Mark Wahlberg & Naomi Watts$17.40133rd of 200464.50%00 / 0033.03
Moonlight Mile (2002)Jake Gyllenhaal & Susan Sarandon$9.90159th of 200264.50%00 / 0031.91
Perfume - The Story of a Murderer (2006)Alan Rickman$2.80207th of 200666.00%00 / 0031.48
American Buffalo (1996)Dennis Franz$1.30217th of 199666.50%00 / 0031.47
Racing Stripes (2005) ***Mandy Moore & David Spade$65.6058th of 200543.50%00 / 0030.53
Billy Bathgate (1991)Bruce Willis & Nicole Kidman$31.2072nd of 199154.00%00 / 0030.31
Alfredo Alfredo (1973)Stefania Sandrelli$5.10196th of 197362.00%00 / 0029.93
Who Is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things about Me? (1971)Barbara Harris$35.6051st of 197150.50%01 / 0029.66
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium (2007)Natalie Portman & Jason Bateman$39.3083rd of 200749.50%00 / 0029.36
Sphere (1998)Samuel L. Jackson & Sharon Stone$66.5058th of 199834.50%00 / 0026.53
Family Business (1989)Sean Connery & Matthew Broderick$25.9074th of 198947.50%00 / 0026.37
Mad City (1997)John Travolta$19.40115th of 199749.50%00 / 0026.34
The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc (1999)Milla Jovovich & Faye Dunaway$23.8056th of 199946.50%00 / 0025.68
The Lost City (2006)Andy Garcia & Bill Murray$3.20203rd of 200645.00%00 / 0021.67
Isthar (1987)Warren Beatty & Charles Grodin$31.8073rd of 198728.50%00 / 0019.17
The Tiger Makes Out (1967)Eli Wallach$8.30190th of 196737.00%00 / 0018.68
Madigan's Millions (1969)Elsa Martinelli$3.00214th of 196932.50%00 / 0015.73

Stats and Possibly Interesting Things From The Above Dustin Hoffman Table

  1. Twenty of Dustin Hoffman’s movies crossed the magical $100 million mark.  That is a percentage of 38.46% of his movies listed.
  2. An average Dustin Hoffman movie grosses $126.90 million in adjusted box office gross….his voice roles were excluded from the averages.
  3. Using RottenTomatoes.com’s 60% fresh meter.  35 of Dustin Hoffman’s movies are rated as good movies…or 67.30% of his movies.
  4. 21 of Dustin Hoffman’s movies received at least one Oscar® nomination in any category…..or 40.38% of his movies.
  5. 9 of Dustin Hoffman’s movies won at least one Oscar® in any category…..or 17.30% of his movies.
  6. An average Ultimate Movie Rankings (UMR) Score is 40.00.  26 of Dustin Hoffman’s movies scored higher that average….or 50.00% of his movies.
  7. Dustin Hoffman has starred in 8 movies that have been nominated for a Best Picture Oscar®…including 3 that wo n the Best Picture Oscar®: 1967’s The Graduate, 1969’s Midnight Cowboy it won, 1974’s Lenny, 1976’s All the President’s Men, 1979’s Kramer vs Kramer it won, 1982’s Tootsie, and 1988’s Rain Man it won.
Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise in 1988's Rain Man

Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise in 1988’s Rain Man

Possibly Interesting Facts About Dustin Hoffman

1. I am sure you know that Dustin Hoffman’s star making role was 1967’s The Graduate. But did you know he was already 30 years old when he played that part, and Anne Bancroft who played Mrs. Robinson was only 36?

2. Over his 45 year carerr, Dustin Hoffman has received 7 Academy Award® nominations (2 wins)….Kramer vs Kramer (1979) and Rain Man (1988). He has 9 Golden Globe® nominations (4 wins) for acting in movies.

3. In the 1980s, Dustin Hoffman only appeared in 4 movies. In 1982 he appeared in one of the biggest comedies ever…Tootsie. Then appeared in one of the biggest box office bombs ever….1987’s Ishtar. He rebounded in 1988 with his second Academy Award® for Best Actor in Rain Man. And finally he appeared in 1989’s Family Business.

4. Dustin Hoffman has been married twice. His first marriage was to Anne Byrne, it lasted from 1969 to 1980 and produced daughters Karina and Jenna. His second marriage is to Lisa Gottsegen, they were married in 1980 – they have four children, sons Jacob and Maxwell and daughters, Rebecca and Alexandra.

5. Dustin Hoffman is the only actor to have leading roles in three Academy Award® Best Picture winning movies Those movies are 1969’s Midnight Cowboy, 1979’s Kramer vs Kramer and 1988’s Rain Man.

6. When Dustin Hoffman was a struggling actor, his roommate was none other than two time Oscar® winner Gene Hackman. It took them almost 40 years but they finally appeared together in one of Hackman’s last movies….2003’s Runaway Jury.

7. Roles Dustin Hoffman either turned down or was seriously considered for…..Blade Runner, Batman Returns(Penguin part), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Gandhi, Get Shorty, The Godfather, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws, Blade Runner, Misery, Superman (Lex Luther role) and Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

8. In the 1960s Dustin Hoffman used to “chase women” with Ben Affleck’s father, Tim Affleck.

9. Dustin Hoffman directed his first movie in 2013…..Quartet.

10. Check out Dustin Hoffman’s career compared to current and classic actors.  Most 100 Million Dollar Movies of All-Time.

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79 thoughts on “Dustin Hoffman Movies

  1. Bob, Bruce,
    Interesting exchange on Nixon, Hoffman and All the President’s Men, one of the greatest political movies of all time. While I find Redford’s comment on Hoffman rather arrogant and patronizing (unless it was made in jest), I actually think he had a point. In the late 60s and early 70s, Hoffman’s little man persona made him a big star – mainly with The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy and Little Big Man. But in the 6 years between Little Big Man and All the President’s Men, Hoffman only made 5 films (Marathon Man came out after All the President’s Men). Harry Kellerman earned very average box office returns; Straw Dogs did well but was not a big hit; Alfredo Alfredo bombed badly; Papillon was more Steve McQueen’s film, with McQueen in the title role and Hoffman getting significantly less screen time (albeit turning out a great performance, however). So really, only Lenny was a big hit for him as top-billed star. It was an exaggeration to say his career was “flagging”, but AS COMPARED to its highly successful first few years, it appeared to slow down a bit during these years.
    On a completely unrelated note, I’m glad Bob mentioned that little known 1958 “C-Western”, Showdown at Boothill with Charles Bronson. It was fun watching Bronson playing a vulnerable character with a complex. He was allowed to play more interesting parts before he became a big star.

    1. HI PHIL

      1 I’m glad that someone else has seen or at least has mentioned seeing Showdown at Boot Hill which is the stand-alone movie Bronson movie I enjoyed most apart from Death Wish and Death Wish 2

      2 Bruce doesn’t seem to have been able to pick it up but it was just as you indicate a minor movie that I saw on the 2nd half of a double bill and would have been a very low grosser. If I recall correctly Steve’s Bronson video didn’t include it either so it most likely was not enthused over by critics and would have had minority appeal for western/Bronson buffs like me. However I’ll stick to my opinions and agree with you that he played a very interesting character in that movie.

      1. Hi Bob,
        I thought you may take up me up on the Hoffman-Redford showdown, but you wisely picked up on my comment on Showdown at Boothill instead 😉 Amazing that you actually saw in the cinema. I was able see it on utube and thought it was pretty good. From what I recall, Bronson was signed up to do 4 very minor films in 1958, including that western, and none of them had any impact except Machine Gun Kelly, where he plays a much more unsavory character.

        1. HI PHIL

          1 When I went to see Showdown at Boot Hill in 1958 or 59 I saw it in an old variety theatre that had been converted to a cinema and had a second balcony where impoverished teenager Bob used to sit because they were the cheapest seats in the house being so far up in the air and and away from the screen that they were nicknamed The Gods

          2 Hoffman was still an important star when President’s Men was being casted but most things are relative and Redford was fresh from the flushes of Butch, the Sting and other hits and indeed Newman pronounced Robert THE No 1 superstar -I’m sure McQ liked that! – so maybe Redford considered that by the standard of his own achievements Dustin’s career needed a boost. I don’t think Robert was joking but he wasn’t boasting and was speaking-matter of-fact as a person with some kind of executive input to the film. Whether Dustin liked his comment or not he DID give the latter top billing on the screen so certainly there was no malice on his part as there was with Steve towards Paul.

          1. PHIL – CORRECTION

            In my previous post to you I employed Belfast slang and used the word “casted” whereas “cast” is I think both the verb and the noun, The Work Horse often picks holes
            in my movie comments so I didn’t want him to have the same opportunity about my grammar – though although clearly a well educated guy himself, judging by some of the books that he boasts of reading he may not be too particular in such matters !!!

          2. Hi Bob, yes I understood, but thanks for teaching me some Belfast slang. Us Canadians are not pointy about these things though .
            I’m not sure when Newman pronounced Robert Redford #1, but at least until the late 70s, McQueen would of course have vehemently and unrespectfully disagreed! McQueen joked that every-time he looked at his rearview mirror he saw Bob Redford. It’s true that several of the scripts McQueen turned down went to Redford, but what seems to have really gotten McQueen’s blood to boil was his own wife, Ali MacGraw, singing the praises of Redford. This apparently led McQueen to start a nasty rumor about Redford, one too shameful to repeat on this site 😉

  2. Hey Bob…here to educate and entertain….lol. Got that Keifer info from a Freddie Prinze Jr. interview. He said he and Keifer had issues because Keifer was so much smaller.

    1. HI PHIL 1 I think Paul made his comment about Redford being No 1 round about the mid-seventies and certainly with hindsight nobody but McQueen himself would have regarded Steve as THE superstar between 1974 and his sad death in 1980.

      O wad some Power the giftie gie us
      To see oursels as ithers see us!
      It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
      An’ foolish notion:
      What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
      An’ ev’n devotion!

      Certainly one guy who has the gift of seeing it as “ithers” like me see it when it comes to star status is the Work Horse as his Main Table of the Greatest stars of the 1970s in WH’s review of that decade ranks Redford No 1 and Newman No 8 and even Godpop Mumbles who had been around since 1943 on stage and screen and made only 6 movies in the 1970s is ranked at No 18 and therefore listed above Stevie who is in 29th slot on the table.

      2 It is logical that if you overtake someone he/she must have previously been in your rear view mirror.

      3 My son in law who has seen some of my exchanges with the Work Horse commented “He seems a right fellow.” Robert and Paul have always come across to me as “right fellows” and certainly if someone started a “nasty rumour” about somebody else that would be our Stevie.

      4 I suppose though as for some reason McQueen seemed regard Paul as his mortal enemy the latter forming with Redford the most successful buddy buddy act ii movie history would not have endeared Robert to Stevie in the first instance.

      5 Ali MacGraw seems to have been a very perceptive and tasteful young lady when it came to her choice of movie stars to admire though I suppose a cynic might opine that her wisdom appeared to desert her when it came to choosing husbands.

      Anyway this is my last word on the above listed points as I will decline to continue our ‘Trotsky’ double act this time round though I concede it is hard to resist because I find your own responses fun and I always glean some new information from them. Best wishes BOB

      1. PHIL

        1 POSTSCRIPT When I implied in my previous post that Ali might have made mistakes when it came to choosing romantic mates it occurred to me to hope that her final film to date wasn’t a harbinger of her future intended pursuits as it was called Get Bruce (1999) and was a documentary in which she played herself Another Dan-like oblique link in the matter is that Ali is an animal rights activist and might be turned on by some guy with an animal-style nickname!!

        2 According to IMDB Steve McQueen was also very chauvinistic and Ali is quoted as saying “He didn’t like the women in his life to have b****”.

        3 I suppose that as Steve took himself very seriously and seemed to live for life-and-death personality conflicts with his fellow human beings lightening up having some fun about these matters would have been as foreign to him as it probably would have been to Spencer Tracy. Thank goodness everybody on this site has a sense of humor with the possible exception of Steve Lensman who gets all fired up about other people enjoying movie stats.

        1. Thanks for your further thoughts on this subject Bob. These will be my final thoughts a well as I think it is utterly unfair to Hoffman that McQueen is taking so much space on his page. I mean, putting up with McQueen taking first billing and the title role in Papillon is one thing (he was after all the biggest movie star around….haha), but when the guy starts dominating comments on your UMR page, that’s when you draw the line!

          At least, this time, I benefited from a few wise and solemn words of poetry and additional tit-bits on Ali MacGraw, so I walk away a happy man.

          I was now thinking of commenting on Steve’s Tuesday Weld’s video, but when I saw that two of her most highly rated films starred our favorite topic of conversation, I thought I would refrain from doing so as I would have felt compelled to bring that up (actually, the truth is, I like Tuesday, but I prefer Friday and do not have much to say about her, or for that matter, all the 1950s Janes who have seem to in vogue on this site lately – Russel, Powell and Mansfield).

          1. HI PHL 1 Agree that it’s time to put some of our topics to bed. Let’s hope we can stick to that and that we are not like one of those entertainers who announces his/her retirement and then keeps popping up everywhere!

            2 You should always remember though that I too have loved Steve’s films and I highlight his shortcomings because I try to avoid becoming sycophantic about any performer that I admire and I’m not like some people on this site who drool over their idols as if they could walk on water.

            3 I mean I’m totally aware that guys like Cary Grant, Bruce Willis and Maurice Micklewhite and gals like Myrna Loy were/are human and have made mistakes and I have some serious reservations about my top idols as well and don’t approve of everything the Duke or Mr Mumbles say and do though I’ve yet to find anyone who has a bad word to say about my 2nd all-time favourite Greg Peck [except Bette Davis but I think she later retracted]. The downside of that is though that I’ve few anecdotes to tell about the likes of Greg whereas I have many untold stories about Mr M that the Cogerson censorship police would never let me tell on this site.

            4 I mean if Steve hadn’t behaved in such a socially unacceptable way would we have been able to keep a conversation going about him this long? Once you take the McQueen conflicts out of the Newman equation and mention that Paul was on Richard Nixon’s personal enemies list one has little to say about him because he was so uncontroversial and well-behaved. When I criticised some of Stevie’s behaviour in my amateur movie buffs group one guy who is a huge McQueen fan said “Hey Bob that was HIM. If he behaved like your Deanna he’d BE Durbin and not McQueen.”

            5 Also just as Steve LENSMAN points out that sex sells so does bad behaviour. Remember that when Pilate asked the crowd if he should free Jesus who had done no harm the mob replied “No not him. Give us Barabbas.” [the robber]. Anyway I’ll “say Au Revoir but not goodbye” because no doubt we will lock horns over some other bone of contention in future.

  3. HI BRUCE 1 Your dad certainly brushed shoulders with history what with meeting McQueen and being at the Post at the time of Watergate. It’s a wonder that in view of his support for trade union activities he didn’t make Nixon’s Enemies List along with Newman and the others. When I left the Civil Service I worked part-time for a few years in a virtually all-female solicitors’ office and I won a sexual discrimination case against the firm.

    2 Certainly the tapes reveal that Nixon hated just about everything and everybody that moved and the recordings are packed with his tirades against the Jewish community and of course the Democrats and especially the Kennedys.

    3 It is said that when the transcripts were first released to the US public it was not the apparent bending of the law that disgusted them but the foul language that the President and his top aides were heard using non-stop on the tapes.

    4 One thing I will give President Nixon credit for though is his love of foreign affairs and his good sense in appointing Dr Kissinger to negotiate an end to the Vietnam War.

    5 Anyway back to the raison d’etre of this site and in an interview that I saw Redford who had production control of the movie All the President’s Men claimed that he got Hoffman the role in the film to give his “flagging career a boost.” I often wondered if that annoyed Dustin in the way that Grant was reportedly irritated by suggestions that Mae West had “discovered” him and Bette Davis seemingly took offence at Glenn Ford’s suggestion that he had gotten her the Apple Annie part in Pocketful of Miracles.

    1. Hey Bob. Well the newspaper business was very good to him. His newspaper ended up being own by the Chicago Tribune….which he really did not like. But his retirement package was pretty amazing under the Tribune’s package.

      Not sure I buy the Redford comment at all. Hoffman was on fire before he made All The President’s Men. He got an Oscar nomination the year before he made the movie….and the three movies made before ATPM averaged an adjusted gross of $181 million. That is not “flagging” at all. So I am sure it annoyed Dustin…since it was so wrong. Granted Redford’s 3 movies before ATPM averaged an adjusted gross of $189 million…..so I guess he was looking down on Hoffman in more than one way…..lol.

      1. HI BIG GUY

        1 I totally agree with you and had I not actually seen with my own eyes/heard with my ears Robert make that comment I would have assumed in twas just untrue hype.

        2 Indeed Hoffman still had the clout to force a compromise and command billing over Redford on the screen if not on the posters. Actually such a compromise made artistic and factual sense in my view as W & B were a team and it would have been wrong for stars egos to be exercised through billing that suggested that one of the real life duo was the “lead” character.

        3 I liked your “looking down on” pun and indeed Dustin was criticised by Hirschhorn** types as an unsuitable leading man for Vanessa Redgrave in the 1979 Agatha about the crime writer Agatha Christie as Vanessa at 5 Ft 11 Ins towered above the 5 Ft 5 and three quarters*** Dustin. However if I had been talking to those critics I would have reminded them of what an old school chum of the 5Ft 7 ins Pacino said after Godpop [which I’ve mentioned before on this site]

        “We used to call him Little Al. He’s Big Al now!”

        **Say whatever happened to him ? Nobody’s mentioned Joel most recently!
        ***Ladd fans can breathe a half sight of relief – Laddie was 5Ft 6 and 1/4

        4 It’s always amazes me how some tough-guy stars who are not especially big of physical stature get a bye whilst others like Laddie, Cruise and Dustin are crucified. It’s never dwelt upon that Bogie/Cagney/ Robinson were not tall men. Nor was Charlie Bronson at 5Ft 8 and 1/2in though in the plot of the B western Showdown at Boot Hill [1958 and one you were not able to pick up] the character that the young Bronson played suffered slightly from a height complex

        1. Hey Bob….glad you like the pun. You can add Keifer Sutherland list of tough guys that are small. Joel had his “star” moment in the sun….he is back to his normal resting spot….waiting for a classic star so he can share his wisdom.

          As for All The President’s Men…..at this point I find it impossible not to think of both actors when I think about the movie…..both made that movie great.

          1. HI BRUCE
            1 Didn’t know about Keifer – as I’ve said before,your site is a daily learning curve for me. I mean where else would I have learnt that Joel existed – WHO ELSE would dream of mentioning him? !!!

            2 Ironically Laddie was probably more physical and athletic than not only all/most of the other “little tough guys” but some big guys as well. Your own excellent Ladd page mentions his being a diving and swimming champion at high school and he also for a time worked as a professional life guard on beaches. I think that if I was drowning I would be wanting Laddie to come for me and not for example the 20St Bud!

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