Myrna Loy Movies

Myrna Loy made movies for seven decades...from 1925 to 1980.

Myrna Loy made movies for seven decades…from 1925 to 1980.

Want to know the best Myrna Loy (1905-1993) movies?  How about the worst Myrna Loy movies?  Curious about Myrna box office grosses or which Myrna Loy movie picked up the most Oscar® nominations? Need to know which Myrna Loy movie got the best reviews from critics and audiences and which got the worst reviews? Well you have come to the right place….because we have all of that information.

At the suggestion of Robwrite, I began researching Myrna Loy’s career about two months ago for this movie page. My knowledge of Myrna Loy was pretty much limited to… she had been in the successful Thin Man series and had appeared in a couple of Cary Grant movies. Other than those two things, I did not really think there was much to really know about Myrna Loy’s career…..boy was I wrong.

“Myrna Loy was one of cinema’s brightest stars. Beautiful, talented, warm, witty, wise and urbane, she swept all before her with a startling succession of box-office hits that lasted from 1932 until 1941, when wartime commitments overtook her career. Adored by moviegoers, Myrna was crowned “Queen of Hollywood” in 1938, with twenty million fans casting their votes in the largest poll of its kind ever conducted. Spencer Tracy was besotted with her, Valentino and Barrymore smitten and President Roosevelt obsessed, whilst Miss Loy had to push Gable off her front-step for “getting fresh”! Her extraordinary profile also supplied plastic surgeons with the most requested image of the 1930s, despite Myrna never having gone under the knife. Loy also managed to royally piss off Hitler by speaking out against his treatment of Jews and, with Chaplin, had the distinction of heading his blacklist”.

“Yet, somehow, Myrna Loy – at her peak more popular than Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn combined – seems almost forgotten. Whether this can be attributed to her gracious acting style (allowing her leading men to dominate), the lack of scandal in her private life, or the relative scarcity of her films in this country, I’m not sure, but it is a situation that deserves to be rectified”. The previous two paragraphs come from the Myrna Loy forum at Empire.com by Rick 7.

Her IMDb page shows 138 acting credits from 1925-1982. This page will rank 70 Myrna Loy movies from Best to Worst in six different sortable columns of information. Television shows, shorts, cameos and movies and many of her early silent movies were not included in the rankings.

Myrna Loy and William Powell....and do not forget Asta the dog.... in one the best movie series ever...The Thin Man movies...Loy and Powell appeared in 14 movies together

Myrna Loy and William Powell….and do not forget Asta the dog…. in one the best movie series ever…The Thin Man movies…Loy and Powell appeared in 14 movies together

Myrna Loy Movies Can Be Ranked 6 Ways In This Table

The really cool thing about this table is that it is “user-sortable”. Rank the movies anyway you want.

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  • Sort Myrna Loy movies by Ultimate Movie Rankings (UMR) Score.  UMR Score puts box office, reviews and awards into a mathematical equation and gives each movie a score.
  • Use the sort and search button to make this a very interactive page.  For example type in William Powell to see 13 Powell/Loy movies….or type Clark Gable in the search box to bring up all of the Gable/Loy movies….or type in….I think you get the idea.
RankMovie (Year)UMR Co-Star LinksAdjusted B.O. Domestic (mil)Box Office Rank by YearCritic Audience RatingOscar Nom / WinUMR Score
Best Years of Our Lives, The (1946)Fredric March$569.601st of 194686.00%08 / 0782.62
After the Thin Man (1936)William Powell$223.906th of 193687.67%01 / 0072.60
Great Ziegfeld, The (1936)William Powell$347.202nd of 193664.50%07 / 0370.92
Libeled Lady (1936)William Powell & Spencer Tracy$180.0012th of 193678.50%01 / 0068.19
Test Pilot (1938)Clark Gable & Spencer Tracy$303.604th of 193868.50%03 / 0067.40
Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer, The (1947)Cary Grant & Shirley Temple$301.7013th of 194773.00%01 / 0166.31
Another Thin Man (1939)William Powell$183.4016th of 193980.50%00 / 0066.27
Rains Came, The (1939)Tyrone Power$283.005th of 193963.50%06 / 0163.84
Cheaper by the Dozen (1950)Clifton Webb$222.006th of 195068.50%00 / 0063.20
Emma (1932)Marie Dressler$215.903rd of 193266.00%01 / 0062.42
Thin Man, The (1934)William Powell$96.9024th of 193487.50%04 / 0060.74
Arrowsmith (1932)Directed by John Ford$142.308th of 193272.50%04 / 0060.73
Double Wedding (1937)William Powell$170.4017th of 193772.50%00 / 0060.48
Too Hot To Handle (1938)Clark Gable$203.2015th of 193862.00%00 / 0060.14
I Love You Again (1940)William Powell$132.3022nd of 194082.50%00 / 0059.29
Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House (1948)Cary Grant$152.5028th of 194875.50%00 / 0059.12
Love Crazy (1941)William Powell$129.7040th of 194182.50%00 / 0058.88
Shadow of the Thin Man (1941)William Powell$141.1034th of 194177.00%00 / 0058.06
End, The (1978)Burt Reynolds & Sally Field$161.8012th of 197868.00%00 / 0057.04
Wife vs Secretary (1936)Clark Gable & Myrna Loy$151.7023rd of 193670.50%00 / 0056.65
Midnight Lace (1960)Doris Day$122.2026th of 196171.50%01 / 0052.94
Love Me Tonight (1932)Maurice$81.6026th of 193284.50%00 / 0052.36
From the Terrace (1960)Paul Newman$181.5010th of 196051.50%00 / 0052.33
Airport 1975 (1974)Charlton Heston$345.705th of 197443.00%00 / 0051.21
Connecticut Yankee, A (1931)Will Rogers$142.509th of 193159.00%00 / 0049.82
Thin Man Goes Home, The (1945)William Powell$121.9054th of 194565.50%00 / 0049.67
Desert Song, The (1929)John Boles$119.2011th of 192965.00%00 / 0049.03
Noah's Ark (1928)Dolores Costello$113.007th of 192867.00%00 / 0049.01
Manhattan Melodrama (1934)William Powell & Clark Gable$77.0039th of 193476.50%01 / 0148.90
Penthouse (1933)Warner Baxter$85.2020th of 193375.00%00 / 0048.46
Song of the Thin Man (1947)William Powell$86.4079th of 194774.00%00 / 0048.17
Broadway Bill (1934)Warner Baxter$91.3027th of 193469.00%00 / 0046.58
Belles on their Toes (1952)Jeanne Crain$85.2043rd of 195269.00%00 / 0045.64
To Mary - with Love (1936)Warner Baxter$80.4070th of 193670.00%00 / 0045.36
Man-Proof (1938)Rosalind Russell & Walter Pidgeon$102.9051st of 193860.50%00 / 0044.39
April Fools, The (1969)Jack Lemmon$84.8019th of 196965.50%00 / 0043.92
Men In White (1934)Clark Gable$93.2026th of 193462.00%00 / 0043.59
Under a Texas Moon (1930)Frank Fay$86.5042nd of 193064.00%00 / 0043.49
Barbarian, The (1933)Ramon Novarro$88.3019th of 193363.00%00 / 0043.30
When Ladies Meet (1933)Robert Montgomery$90.3015th of 193361.00%01 / 0043.07
Third Finger Left Hand (1940)Melvyn Douglas$81.3060th of 194064.50%00 / 0042.92
Topaze (1933)John Barrymore$84.1021st of 193362.50%00 / 0042.42
Evelyn Prentice (1934)William Powell$73.3047th of 193465.50%00 / 0042.14
Mask of Fu Manchu, The (1932)Boris Karloff$41.3071st of 193275.50%00 / 0041.88
Petticoat Fever (1936)Robert Montgomery$77.9071st of 193663.00%00 / 0041.68
Show of Shows, The (1929)John Barrymore$96.9017th of 192956.00%00 / 0041.34
Devil To Pay!, The (1930)Ronald Colman$122.6018th of 193046.00%00 / 0040.62
Night Flight (1933)Clark Gable & Lionel Barrymore$60.3037th of 193366.50%00 / 0040.61
Prizefighter and the Lady, The (1933)Max Baer$45.2053rd of 193369.50%01 / 0040.07
Parnell (1937)Clark Gable$128.7049th of 193740.50%00 / 0038.99
So Goes My Love (1946)Don Ameche$61.60104th of 194662.50%00 / 0038.93
Lucky Night (1939)Robert Taylor$86.2070th of 193953.50%00 / 0038.50
Wings in the Dark (1935)Cary Grant$61.7052nd of 193561.50%00 / 0038.46
Bad Man, The (1930)Walter Huston$54.0061st of 193060.50%00 / 0036.81
Black Watch, The (1929)Directed by John Ford$61.6033rd of 192957.00%00 / 0036.34
If This Be Sin (1949)Roger Livesey$25.90120th of 194967.50%00 / 0035.73
Body and Soul (1931)Humphrey Bogart$27.9077th of 193165.50%00 / 0035.10
Naughty Flirt, The (1930)Roger Livesey$39.2072nd of 193061.00%00 / 0034.75
Stamboul Quest (1934)George Brent$74.9044th of 193448.00%00 / 0034.17
Isle of Escape (1930)Monte Blue$29.1076th of 193062.00%00 / 0033.65
Whipshaw (1935)Spencer Tracy$57.6044th of 193552.50%00 / 0033.60
Ambassador's Daughter, The (1956)Olivia de Havilland & William Powell$65.7066th of 195649.00%00 / 0033.21
Bride of the Regiment (1930)Walter Pidgeon$43.7068th of 193056.00%00 / 0033.09
Lonelyhearts (1958)Montgomery Clift$30.50114th of 195759.00%01 / 0032.86
Animal Kingdom (1932)Leslie Howard$48.1059th of 193254.00%00 / 0032.84
Red Pony, The (1949)Robert Mitchum$65.3090th of 194948.00%00 / 0032.68
Truth About Youth, The (1930)Loretta Young$30.0075th of 193054.50%00 / 0030.27
Pay As You Enter (1928)William Demarest$8.3077th of 192860.00%00 / 0029.49
New Morals For Old (1932)Robert Young$28.6081st of 193249.50%00 / 0027.69
Just Tell Me What You Want (1980)Ali MacGraw$6.80131st of 198052.00%00 / 0025.49

Stats and Possibly Interesting Things From The Above Myrna LoyTable

  1. Twenty-nine Myrna Loy movies crossed the magical $100 million domestic gross mark.  That is a percentage of 41.42% of her movies listed. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) was her biggest box office hit.
  2. An average Myrna Loy movie grosses $118.70 million in adjusted box office gross.
  3. Using RottenTomatoes.com’s 60% fresh meter.  52 of Myrna Loy’s movies are rated as good movies…or 74.28% of her movies.  After The Thin Man (1936) was her highest rated movie while Parnell (1937) was her lowest rated movie.
  4. Fifteen Myrna Loy movies received at least one Oscar® nomination in any category…..or 21.42% of her movies.
  5. Five Myrna Loy movies won at least one Oscar® in any category…..or 7.14% of her movies.
  6. An average Ultimate Movie Rankings (UMR) Score is 40.00. 49 Myrna Loy movies scored higher than that average….or 70.00% of her movies.  The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) got the the highest UMR Score while Just Tell Me What You Want (1980) got the lowest UMR Score.
Cary Grant and Myrna Loy in 1935's Wings in the Dark...one of three Grant/Loy movies

Cary Grant and Myrna Loy in 1935’s Wings in the Dark…one of three Grant/Loy movies

Possibly Interesting Facts About Myrna Loy

1. Loy had 80 screen credits before finally becoming a star with the release of the low budget surprise hit….1934’s The Thin Man. This UMR page looks at her career from 1933-1980, with a few of her pre-1933 releases.

2. During her early years…..Loy appeared in the first ever European/American co-production…1925’s Ben-Hur…..she appeared in the first movie to use a movie score…..1926’s Don Juan…..she appeared in the first talkie….1927’s The Jazz Singer……and she appeared in the first ever filmed operetta….1929’s The Desert Song.

3. Myrna Loy appeared in over 120 movies, but never received an Oscar® nomination or a Golden Globe® nomination for any of her acting roles. She did receive an honorary Oscar® for career achievement in 1991.

4. In 1921, Loy posed for Harry Winebrenner’s statue titled “Spiritual,” which remained in front of Venice High School throughout the 20th century and can be seen in the opening scenes of the 1978 film Grease.

5. Gangster John Dillinger was shot to death after leaving a screening of the 1934 film Manhattan Melodrama which starred Loy, Clark Gable and William Powell.

6. Loy and William Powell appeared in 14 movies together. 6 times they appeared as Nick and Nora Charles in The Thin Man movie series (1934-1947). When looking at the table above….8 of their movies finished in Loy’s Top Ten according to critics and audiences.

7. Check out the list of co-stars for Loy…..Clark Gable (7 movies), Cary Grant (3 movies), Warner Baxter (3 movies), Spencer Tracy (2 films), and with one film….James Stewart, Jack Lemmon, Paul Newman, Frederich March, Will Rogers, Charlton Heston, Tyrone Power, and of course Burt Reynolds.

8. The first part of her career was in silent movies…she was typecast in exotic roles, often as a vamp or a woman of Asian descent…..her first film her character was called Vamp…..these roles kind of solidified her exotic non-America image…..which is strange as she was born and raised in Montana.

9. Loy’s big break? Loy attended a Hollywood party with director W.S. Dyke. At the party Dyke detected a wit and sense of humor that Loy’s films had not revealed. He then chose Loy for the Nora Charles role in The Thin Man. The success of The Thin Man changed how Hollywood viewed her, and her roles got bigger and better.

10. With the outbreak of World War II, she abandoned her acting career to focus on the war effort and worked closely with the Red Cross. She helped run a Naval Auxiliary Canteen and toured frequently to raise funds.

Check out Myrna Loy‘s career compared to current and classic actors.  Most 100 Million Dollar Movies of All-Time.

Not enough stats for you?….Then check out 37 Myrna Loy worldwide adjusted grosses

  • After the Thin Man (1936) $355.90 million in adjusted box office
  • Animal Kingdom (1932) $58.10 million in adjusted box office
  • Another Thin Man (1939) $267.40 million in adjusted box office
  • The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer (1947) $384.70 million in adjusted box office
  • The Bad Man (1930) $84.00 million in adjusted box office
  • The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) $859.60 million in adjusted box office
  • Bride of the Regiment (1930) $69.70 million in adjusted box office
  • The Desert Song (1929) $232.20 million in adjusted box office
  • Double Wedding (1937) $264.40 million in adjusted box office
  • Evelyn Prentice (1934) $122.30 million in adjusted box office
  • The Great Ziegfeld (1936) $525.20 million in adjusted box office
  • I Love You Again (1940) $185.30 million in adjusted box office
  • Isle of Escape (1930) $37.10 million in adjusted box office
  • Libeled Lady (1936) $306.00 million in adjusted box office
  • Love Crazy (1941) $200.70 million in adjusted box office
  • Lucky Night (1939) $130.20 million in adjusted box office
  • Manhattan Melodrama (1934) $129.00 million in adjusted box office
  • Man-Proof (1938) $136.90 million in adjusted box office
  • The Mask of Fu Manchu (1932) $68.30 million in adjusted box office
  • Men In White (1934) $152.20 million in adjusted box office
  • Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House (1948) $197.50 million in adjusted box office
  • New Morals For Old (1932) $36.60 Night Flight (1933) $112.30 million in adjusted box office
  • Noah’s Ark (1928) $191.00 Parnell (1937) $204.70 million in adjusted box office
  • Pay As You Enter (1928) $11.30 million in adjusted box office
  • Petticoat Fever (1936) $121.90 million in adjusted box office
  • The Prizefighter and the Lady (1933) $97.20 million in adjusted box office
  • Shadow of the Thin Man (1941) $224.10 million in adjusted box office
  • The Show of Shows (1929) $209.90 million in adjusted box office
  • Song of the Thin Man (1947) $142.40 million in adjusted box office
  • Test Pilot (1938) $487.60 million in adjusted box office
  • The Thin Man Goes Home (1945) $193.90 million in adjusted box office
  • The Thin Man, The (1934) $159.90 million in adjusted box office
  • Too Hot To Handle (1938) $299.20 million in adjusted box office
  • The Truth About Youth (1930) $37.00 million in adjusted box office
  • Under a Texas Moon (1930) $107.50 million in adjusted box office
  • Whipshaw (1935) $97.60 million in adjusted box office
  • Wife vs Secretary (1936) $232.70 million in adjusted box office

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  1. THE LAST OF MYRNA
    Hopefully the final and definitive word on Myrna’s status in the Hollywood of the Joan Crawford.era
    1
    Melvyn Douglas and billing. Douglas – “Well, Freddie Bartholomew had first billing in Captains Courageous and that drove Spencer Tracy mad. I was billed fourth – and couldn’t have cared less. Joan Crawford once explained to me she was over Clark Gable and William Powell but under Norma Shearer. Powell was under Jean Harlow but above Bob Montgomery and Myrna Loy. Are you still with me?” JFB (Just for Bob)
    2
    The foregoing is Para 8 of the Work Horse’s Possibly Interesting Facts on his excellent Melvyn Douglas page and it tells an amusing yarn about billing and highlights again Old Cantankerous’ obsession with it even when he had just become a star. For once I almost feel sorry for Old C as he clearly took himself very serious but in Captains Courageous was 2nd billed to a mere boy. Still the old devil had the last laugh winning the Oscar for his role in that movie.

    Though Melvyn [clearly a kindred spirit of John!] personally found it all very amusing there was obviously a deadly serious pecking order in Old Hollywood and everyone knew his/her place in it. If you follow to its end the ‘billing chain’ that Melvyn recites it is plain that M-s Loy is the very last link in that chain! – and the heading above was not intended as a pun! GREAT piece of trivia recounted here though so take a bow Work Horse.
    PS
    The para 8 was tagged Just for Bob so I felt entitled to reproduce it here but I apologise to anyone who is bored with the repetition. Just think though I could have imposed a repetition of Hirschhorn’s comments on readers and who wants to keep reading THAT stuff?

    1. Hey Bob
      1. Glad you enjoyed this Melvyn Douglas’ interesting fact.
      2. I have never said…Loy was the best actress…..just the actress with the best box office total….I know I am a broken record here.
      3. The billing had an order….but everybody Joan (he was quoting her) was a above the title star…..and Loy was an above the title star.
      4. I like Spencer Tracy….but like another favorite, Bruce Willis, I get the feeling they are not the nicest people off camera. Granted…in my family history…..they had good encounters with him when he bought fruit from their stand they ran:…..despite that…there are so many stories of his and Bruce’s bad behavior it makes you wonder….just how happy they were.
      5. No problem posting the fact here…..anything to keep Joel and Myrna in the spotlight is fine with me….lol.

      1. HI BRUCE
        1 In para 3 of your post you say –

        “The billing had an order….but everybody Joan (he was quoting her) was a above the title star…..and Loy was an above the title star.”

        2 If you go now to Wikipedia and look at the poster reproduction for the 1933 When Ladies Meet you will see that the billing – and size of same – is as follows:

        ANN HARDING
        ROBERT MONTGOMERY IN
        WHEN LADIES MEET
        Also Starring Myrna Loy, Alice Brady, Frank Morgan

        And of course that soft touch Cogerson credited M-s Loy with a whopping $90 million for this movie

        3 Anyway Quiz question of the month – “Would Spencer Tracy been delighted to be told that he was being billed above the title in 6th place?”

        4 By the way interesting you should mention the other Bruce as I’ve just watched a 2000 episode of the TV sitcom Friends in which Willis did a guest spot and was very funny. He could do comedy very well I thought.*** The DAN-LIKE link was that he had to share some scenes with Matthew Perry as Chandler Bing in the series and of course Willis and Matthew appeared together in the cinematic movie The Whole Nine Yards that year and its sequel The Whole Ten Yards in 2004. I too have read unflattering things about the off-screen Willis but I read also that after they divorced he continued to help and advise Demi with her problems and if so I admire that because it’s nice to see a divorced/separated couple continuing to show each for other respect and not completely jettisoning what they once had with each other. Anyway I don’t really care what Bruce was like off-screen because I enjoyed immensely his screen persona and it was THAT which I was paying for. .

        ***In a Richard Harris interview that I’ve just watched he said that his Bounty co-star Mr Mumbles “could do anything BUT comedy” so a feather in your cap there Mr Willis.

        1. Hey Bob. Loy was not above the title for every movie she ever made, but she is above the title in over 50 movies.
          For a good 15 year run, she was one of the most popular actresses and most famous woman in the world. Her long career is why her box office career grosses are so stout.

          1. 1 The quiz question at No 3 in my 3.43 post on 24 July has not been answered so it has been carried over for another week.

            2 My 24 July post also prompts another quiz question – Was Ann Harding a bigger star than Myrna Loy back in the 1930s?

        2. Hey Bob….I would say Tracy would not be happy…..but it seems to have been pretty difficult about things like that….I think I like stars like Melvyn Douglas and Myrna Loy who did not really care too much.

    2. Hello Bob,
      I like so much this comment about Crawford explications about over and under and near with all the Big stars of MGM.It Is like a game…and i can imagine the eyes of Crawford when She spoke oh Shearer…
      And are You Still with me??? fun..we can play with Paramount too….etc
      Thank You so much for that..
      A very good comment

      1. HI PIERRE

        Glad somebody likes some of my stuff. John and Flora used to appreciate it at times but they give it a miss these days and I’m inclined to think of myself as the 1956 High Society’s C K Dexter- Haven [Bing] to whom Sinatra sang –

        “I have heard
        That in this Clan
        You are called
        The Forgotten Man!”

        Sadly usually all I’m left with is that Work Horse guy who keeps trying to brainwash me with the ramblings of a Joel Hirschhorn – ever heard of HIM?

        1. PIERRE 1 On reflection I was possibly being unfair in putting you on the spot by asking you if you knew who Joel Hirschhorn was because you mightn’t want to offend Bruce by replying in the negative. I belong to a loose and informal group of about a dozen amateur film buffs and none of them had ever heard of Joel except one woman who had the vague notion that he was an American TV talk-show host of the 1950s.

          2 When I told the group that Hirsch had conducted a one-sided savage character assassination of MB there wasn’t much of a reaction because a number of my group don’t like Brando anyway However we are ALL John Wayne fans and when I revealed that Joel had also rubbished the Duke there was an outburst of spontaneous laughter accompanied by some sarcastic comments such as “What planet was that guy from?” and also some expletives-deleted about Joel.

          3 Indeed it is probable that Joel’s name was not too familiar even among the contemporaries of his day. In the 1950s we had a chat show over here called What’s my Line? in which in question and answer sessions a panel of four TV celebs tried to find out the initially undisclosed occupations of contestants from the general public. There was a regular 5 minute spot on the show in which the panel donned blindfolds and tried to guess the identity of a mystery guest superstar from personal answers that the guest gave to set questions.

          4 On one such occasion the Duke who was touring different countries to promote The Alamo in 1960 was the mystery guest and although he was at the height of his popularity then and had difficulty in disguising his distinctive drawl it took the panel the whole 5 minutes to identify him. Those panel members have long since sadly passed away but had Hirsch appeared before them I’m sure they would have remained mystified about him even when they went to their graves. In short Pierre ignore my question about Hirschhorn. [Instead of calling him Hirsch should we nickname him Hearse?]

          NB: I remember that episode vividly because within the panel a good cop/bad cop routine was invariably carried out with three of the members always being if anything over-deferential to the mystery superstar when his/her ID was revealed but with the 4th a cantankerous Tracy-like character named Gilbert Harding being deliberately obnoxious as was his habitual calling-card. He said to the Duke “I’m surprised that you didn’t turn up here in that ridiculous coonskin cap that the Crockett chap wears in your movie.” All credit to Big JW he did not permit himself to be drawn into becoming Stonewall Torrey but simply smiled sweetly at Harding.

          1. EXPLANATION

            When I joked about calling Joel” Hearse” I meant no disrespect to the dead but instead was spoofing about Joel being a ” back number” from yesteryear whose career as a movie pundit might now be irrelevant. However if anyone found my jest offensive I sincerely apologise to that person.

          2. Hey Bob…..I am sure you are correct….film critics are not too aware of Joel Hirschhorn…..his first love and the reason he is known is his music. His book, Rating The Movie Stars is the only time he looked at movie criticism.

            I did not realize it was the John Wayne rating that had gotten you so fired up. If fairness to him….Joel did rate every single one of Wayne’s movies made in the 1930s…..and even Wayne would say most of those movies are pretty awful.

            He still gave Wayne lots of 4 star performances”
            1939’s Stagecoach
            1940’s Long Voyage Home
            1940’s Seven Sinners
            1945’s They Were Expenable
            1948’s Fort Apache
            1948’s Red River
            1948’s She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
            1950’s Sands of Iwo Jima
            1952’s The Quiet Man
            1956’s The Searchers
            1959’s Rio Bravo
            1962’s The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
            1962’s How The West Was Won (the best 2 minutes in movie history apparently)
            1969’s True Grit
            1976’s The Shootist

            Just all of those 2 star B westerns pulled down his score.

          3. Hey Bob….I am sure nobody has taken offense…..the fact that the late Joel Hirschhorn is being talked about at all has to be worth something. I actually texted his song writing partner but have yet to hear back from him. Al Kasha and Joel got Oscar nominations for three movies….winning twice. Not too bad of a statistic.

        2. Hey Bob…..the fact that you now not only are aware of Joel…..but can correctly spell his name….is a win for me and Joel….lol. Glad Pierre likes your comments…but you should know….he is not alone in that regard.

          1. Actually it’s your surname that gives me the most trouble !! If for example I leave a couple of letters out of a reference to say Burt Lancaster the computer still picks up what I want but often I’ve found if I leave even one letter out of a request involving “Cogerson” the computer does not recognise that request and I have to spell the name fully for the request to be answered. Must be a very special surname but that’s no surprise.!!!

          2. Hey Bob…..Cogerson is a very unique name…as far as I know only one other person in the world uses that name. It is the nickname of my blended family…..WoC was born a Coats…..I was born a Rogers…..and my two middle children were born a Anderson…..jam them all together and you have COatsROGersanderSON….those Cogerson was born. Sorry if I had told you that before. One day you computer will recognize Cogerson…..just like the way Google did….you type in Cogerson in Google….anywhere in the world….and my website will pop up.

  2. EVENING JOHN:

    1 Thanks for your further response but I have undertaken not to press this matter further because as Bruce says none of us is going to sway the other at this late stage so let’s call it a 3-way draw or if there is no such scoreline in baseball I’ll settle for Mexican Standoff.

    2 Anyway you are giving me alternative food for thought with your very interesting acts about colour in movies and i’ll be happy enough for you to keep providing. those till the cows come home.

    Best wishes BOB

  3. ANNEX B
    MYRNA LOY PURCHASING POWER OF TOP 19 MOVIES

    Airport 1975/$301 million- Heston was star Loy billed 13th
    The Best Years of Our Lives/$294
    Test Pilot/$230
    The Great Mrs Ziegfeld/$180
    The Rains Came/$164
    The End/$158 – a Burt Reynolds film – Burt billed alone above title
    Bachelor Knight/$144
    Cheaper by the Dozen/$124 –J Crain lead actress. Loy billed 3rd
    From the Terrace/$121- Newman and Woodward billed alone as stars
    After the Thin Woman/$116
    Too Hot to Handle/$113
    Another Thin Woman/$107
    Emma/$102 – Marie Dressler billed alone above title
    Libeled Lady/$94
    Double Wedding/$90
    Wife v Secretary/$80 – Harlow the King’s leading lady, Loy billed 3rd
    Mrs. Blandings Builds Her Dream House/$74
    Arrowsmith/$67 – Colman alone above title. Helen Hayes female lead
    A Connecticut Yankee/$67 – Will Rogers billed alone above title
    GRAND TOTAL $2.610 billion [Average 137.3 billion]

    Source: Consumer Price Index of US Bureau of Labor Statistics

    NOTE: In 18 (ie 36%) of Myrna Loy’s Top 50 Cogerson grossers she was just a supporting actress and was not billed as a star. Those 18 movies amount to a staggering $2.490 billion according to Bruce’s figures. A costed list can be provided on request

    1. Hey Bob even if you take away those movies and that 2.49 her box office total is still 6 billion……which is still in the top 7 when looking at actresses. And she would be the only one penalized for not being 1st or 2nd billed.

      U r also forgetting her 53 movies that did not make my page….if those movies averaged just $18 million in adjusted gross she would be back in first place.

      I went and saw Split for the sole reason that Bruce Willis had a cameo in the movie. I imagine even though she was billed 13th in Airport 1975 a few of her fans went and saw that movie for the same reason.

      In the end I still believe she is the biggest box office star of all time. You do not…..and I am ok with that. 🙂

  4. ANNEX A
    BARBARA STREISAND PURCHASING POWER OF ALL 19 MOVIES

    What’s Up Doc?/$379 million
    Funny Girl/$366
    Meet the Fockers/$356
    The Way We Were/$353
    A Star is Born/$318
    Hello Dolly/$288
    Funny Lady/$248
    The Main Event/$224
    The Owl and the Pussycat/$223
    Little Fockers/$164
    For Pete’s Sake/$161
    Yentl/$137
    The Price of Tides/ $132
    On a Clear Day You Can See Forever/$98
    Nuts!/$66
    Up the Sandbox/$64
    The Mirror Has Two faces/$63
    The Guilt Trip/$39
    All Night Long/$14
    GRAND TOTAL $3.715 billion [Average $196 million]

    Source The Consumer Price Index of US Bureau of Labour Statistics

  5. 1 JOHN/BRUCE Cary Grant never won an Oscar but at least he was twice nominated. He was greatly underrated as an actor in my view but he can still point to his enormous stand-alone box office record to justify his deserved legendary status that AFI has recognised.
    2 Conversely Brando and Katie H had great stand-alone success at the box office but in my view in too few films compared with the likes of say Stewart or Tracy and any way the Brando/Hepburn high rankings in the AFI lists probably rest more on the perception that they were Greats in terms of acting and in Brando’s case his reputation for changing forever acting styles. With Astaire his perceived uniqueness as a dancer probably did the trick.
    3 Babs Streisand made too few films to reach a vertiginous box office total but the average attendance at the 19 movies that she did make was among the highest reflected in Cogerson. Also the purchasing power of her ACTUAL grosses would be enormous in today’s market as would that of Liz Taylor and both Babs and Liz won Oscars and Babs is said to be the only actress to receive every major show-business award across the board in films, music etc and for directorial contribution. A formerroad trip companion of Brando she is a true legend
    4 In my opinion it would have been in order to say that the movies “in which Myrna Loy appeared had the highest audience count” but to say that she is the most successful box office performer of all time is to employ the kind of hyperbole that is often associated with accolades for Samuel L Jackson. Myrna like Mr. Mumbles, Astaire and Katie was overall competent at the box office but that is all.
    5 The overkill in her case is compounded by leaving the impression without qualification that in 1937 Loy’s total grosses were the stand-out ones whereas certainly Gable, Bill Powell and Crawford had a higher count that year, and listing her as Doris Day’s main co-star in Midnight Lace is fiction.
    5 Therefore as I do not regard Myrna Loy as a particularly successful stand-alone box office performer it was only but fair that I should look at other recognised tokens of Greatness to see if any of them applied to her. There was none. She was not perceived by her peers as a particularly strong actress and when the purchasing power of her films’ ACTUAL monetary earnings is calculated although it is respectable it does not compare favourably with those of a number of other actresses. See Annexes A & B.
    6. As a movie “box office buff” I have been trying to set straight what I see as the true and indeed in some cases the official record on Loy. I would place her at somewhere near the bottom of the A list of stars of her day and do not otherwise have particular interest in her though I regard her as a passable actress.
    7 Certainly I have no fixation in the matter and for example in the past 8 days as well as my comments on the profiles in Steve Lensman’s videos I have commented on the careers of four other stars with a recent new page/update and those posts have not attracted a response whereas as soon as I say anything that tries to put Loy’s status in an honest perspective fuses start blowing on this site.
    8 However I acknowledge that the time has come to agree to disagree and after this will comment no more on Loy or respond to others’ posts about her but would ask that in future could we agree to disagree in plain English? John claims to have missed my main point about Myrna Loy and had he had the courtesy to tell me of his mystification assuming it to be the case I would have returned the compliment by informing him that I know nothing about American baseball and the comparisons that he was making in the jargon of that sport were meaningless to me so he could have been conveying pearls of wisdom and they would have sadly escaped me. “When in Rome speak as the Romans speak.”

    1. Bob & Cogerson

      Hi Bob. On the Romans. I apologize to you, but Cogerson I think understands my points about Henry Aaron, and he’s the Roman on this board. I was worried about this not getting across, but to just restate the position–it is like Paavo Nurmi. There is no way of winning nine Olympic gold medals in track and field w/o being at least near the top and worthy of consideration as one of the best. Stats do take us somewhere.

      Cary Grant never winning an Oscar? I just don’t see any connection between winning awards and being a box-office star. This strikes me as just an effort to shift the grounds of debate. By the way, I would consider Myrna Loy sort of the female Cary Grant. An actress with subtle comic skills whose performances were by-passed in favor of sometimes heavy-handed and hammy dramatic turns when the awards were passed out.

      Stand-alone–I don’t think I agree with the concept. Which Gable or Grant movies were stand-alones. Not many. The whole point was to match them with the latest hot younger actress. The actresses wanted these matches also. It meant they had reached the top.

      Also, box-office analysis is not an exact science. The movies stars are most remembered for are often movies that were bigger than they were. Did Harrison Ford make the Star Wars movies a hit? More like they made him. The best thing which can happen to an actor over the long run is to land a role in a movie which is bigger than they are. I would say that is true of Charlton Heston in Ben-Hur, Brando in The Godfather, Gable in Gone with the Wind, and Ladd in Shane. I am not denying they rose tot he occasion, and were perhaps the best casting, but there is a synergy effect. Take Ford and Star Wars. What if Tom Selleck had been cast? I don’t see that anything at the box-office would change much except Selleck would be famous as the star of Star Wars rather than as a TV star.

      On billing–Well, third billing doesn’t mean much if the other two are big stars. It is still star billing. James Stewart was third-billed in The Philadelphia Story, for which he won his Oscar. The Quigley polls placed him ahead of both Grant and Hepburn that year and the next. William Holden was third billed in Sabrina and The Country Girl. But no question he was a big and hot star in 1954. Joan Crawford was third billed in Grand Hotel. Was she not a star? These multi-star movies were usually major efforts by the studios which grossed a lot more than typical one or two star programmers. I have a fundamental disagreement with downplaying them for not being “stand-alone.”

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