Over the last few months our Charles Bronson page has quietly been putting up some good numbers….when it comes to views. Never on the trending list….but never from the top pages….so I figured it was time to update this one with new stats and calculations.
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Good reply Bruce. I’m a Bronson fan too. You should copy that into the main Bronson page in case this update gets deleted.
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You are dealing out some great advice today Steve. You know I joked at the end of the comment about doing a Die Hard/Death Wish movie….on further thought:
All jokes aside….making Death Wish the sixth Die Hard movie is not actually crazy. Think about…McClane is retired….living in New York….a horrible crime happens to his family….no longer a cop….. he can no longer do anything about it….it slowly drives him crazy……he pulls out his old guns….and rides the subway looking for trouble……he takes out a copy of bad guys…..now his old friends on the force have to catch him….all the while not really wanting to catch him. It sounds a heck of a lot better than McClane goes to Russia and destroys Russia….like part 5.
Are they really going ahead with a Death Wish reboot? I thought it was just a rumour. What happens to the Die Hard franchise, finished? I think Willis is older now than Bronson was in the first Die Hard.
Hey Steve….it is still a go project. They have been going through directors left and right…but currently Bruce and Eli Roth are attached….with Roth being the director. Let’s see….Charlie was 53 when the first Death Wish came out…Bruce would be 62 if Death Wish comes out next year. Bruce’s bald head probably can make up for the age difference….lol.
HOW MANY VIEWS DOES THIS WEBSITE NOW HAVE?
Not sure I understand the question? Some of my answers…this update page….38….the Charles Bronson page…21,486 and the entire websites all 5 plus years….let me see….7,102,344 as of 1:44 PM….though I did not check my HubPage or You Tube stats….which are not normally big at all.
I meant the website overall, not the individual page.
7, 102, 344 views.
Fabulous.
IE- from Hubpages to now – not UMR alone.
That was the total of all websites since 2011…..includes everything….Hub, Cogerson(RIP), UMR and You Tube.
1 Charlie’s career falls distinctly into two parts and this very welcome update from Bruce faithfully charts the box office figures that can be credited to each part
2 The first part of the career was from his film debut in 1951 until about 1969 when he served a very long apprenticeship playing second fiddle or even less to the likes of Ladd, Glenn Ford, Burt Lancaster, the Burtons, Mitchum and Brynner. He had a larger than usual part in Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) but was still just 4th billed in that movie and it was anyway a low grosser in the States.
3 The Top Star stand alone 2nd part of his career was from around 1970 until 1994 when he brought out the 4th and final Death Wish film which virtually nobody went to see in the States He made 30 films in those years and they amounted to just around 0.930 million overall in inflation adjusted domestic grosses which is a paltry 0.31 million per movie.
4 Indeed a close analyses of Bruce’s figures illustrates that of those 30 stand-alones just two movies got into the Cogerson 100 million bracket and in all only four out of the thirty films are credited with an individual domestic gross of over 70 million dollars. Most of the remainder are well below even the 50 million dollar mark.
5 However Tony Curtis opined that Charles was an especially massive star outside the States
but because foreign grosses were not at that time (the early 70s) widely reported Charlie’s
box office appeal was under-valued in America.
6 It could be therefore that more than is the case with most stars we would need some idea of Charlie’s worldwide grosses before we can place his box office success in a reasonable overall context.
7 Action heroes often achieve more with foreign than domestic earnings. For example whilst the individual worldwide grosses that I have seen for Jean Claude Van Damme films have been sporadic I did once glimpse overall figures in Box Office Mojo that suggested that Jean Claude’s foreign grosses were three times his US ones.
8 By my rough calculation in inflation adjusted figures his US total gross was around the billion mark whereas his foreign earnings were approx 3 billion – a worldwide adjusted gross of approx 4 billion or just under.
9 Regardless of all that the Charles Bronson of 1970-1995 has always been one of my personal favourite action stars and I find him very entertaining to watch even in humdrum films. Perhaps here I’m proving Tony’s point as I am not American !!
10 He had no great acting range but one critic in my view shrewdly observed that Bronson’s stock-in-trade was the ability to convey quiet menace on the screen like no other actor. Not for him the bawling and yelling of a Lee J Cobb. In his films Charles was repeatedly able to build up the audience’s feeling of tension and danger in the low-key way Glenn Ford succeeded in doing in the hotel scenes with Van Heflin in 3.10 to Yuma
11 His two big Cogerson 100 million dollar stand-alone films were of course The Valachi Papers and the first Death Wish. The Valachi Papers was about the Mafia and Charles may have been lucky in that it came out at the time when the US was enthralled with Godfathers.
12 However sociologists have opined that Death Wish resonated with American audiences because at that time the ordinary citizen had lost a degree of confidence in the official law enforcement agencies to protect the general public and the vigilante was therefore seen as a kind of a Robin Hood figure who protected the weak. Certainly if audiences sought comfort in that respect Charlie was their ideal man.
Good post Robert. I’m a Bronson fan too. You should copy that into the main Bronson page in case this update gets deleted.
Have done so. Thanks for the tip Steve
BOB
Hey Steve….that is good advice….as these update pages generally go away for ever after a few days….I was deleting them….or changing them…until I realized that Google was including them into their search engines…..so the will be around …..just impossible to find on this website.
Hey Bob.
1. Like Steve wrote….this is a great comment.
2. I agree…..he was a supporting actor for most of his peak years….but he still created some memorable movie roles….The Magnificent Seven, The Dirty Dozen, The Great Escape and Once Upon A Time in The West (which was supposed to be Clint Eastwood’s role….but then again….the spaghetti western trilogy that made Clint a star were meant for Bronson).
3. Wow….good stats….glad my page was able to let you pull those out. You are right….if you take out The Valachi Papers and Death Wish…..the rest of his starring roles….are not impressive at the box office. I think Jason Statham might be the modern day Charles Bronson. Which is fitting especially since he has already remade one of Bronson’s movies…The Mechanic. They both (Charles and Jason) had/have a nice following…..but there movies have somewhat of a limited audience.
4. Sorry….when it comes to overseas box office……that is a huge void…..maybe someday a resource will surface. But I agree he was very popular overseas. Action sells….Arnold, Bruce and Sly still sell lots of tickets overseas for sure.
5. I can buy your rough estimation of his foreign box office numbers.
6. I remember when I was first researching Valachi Papers…it was unknown to me…..when I was looking through Variety to find a box office rental number….I was looking at the bottom of their Top Grossers lists….at one point I was like….never going to find that number….and I gave up. About a week later I was back in those Variety listings and I was shocked to see Valachi Papers near the top of the list. If I had not caught that….it would probably the biggest mistake I have ever made on these pages. The current winner on that regard is From The Terrance ……I only underestimated that box office by $140 million….lol.
7. Death Wish is about to get some renewed interest….as Bruce Willis is signed to appear in the reboot….maybe Bruce can crank out 5 Death Wish movies like Charles did…..or he could merge Die Hard with Death Wish….I can see it now ….coming to a theater soon….Bruce Willis in Die Wish or Death Hard…..lol
Thanks for sharing some great information….it is greatly appreciated.